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AllenRacing722
Starting Member
USA
11 Posts |
 Posted - 01/29/2008 : 9:15:07 PM
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Just Say No to Double Trouble.
Yes I did drive a dual tire dragster in the late 60's and early 70's,ok it was being towed back to the pits. Back in the day the race tracks were all sand and no water AND NO TRACTION. Today NSDA'S race tracks and the race cars have so much more PERFORMANCE. With the possibility of T/F running in the 20's and T/A in the 30's JUST SAY NO TO DUAL TIRES. But it was COOL back in the day. It's also cool that the T/F and T/A look like Dragsters that race with NHRA.
Yes, I now drive with engine running
Dan Allen The Ex-Wheelie King
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jeragster
New Member
31 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 06:38:24 AM
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Whatever on the duals,bring back the monster wheelies!!! We only had 1 huge wheelie at the last race ?
Dan,
move your wheelie bar up a foot ,then you will get 5'or more up front and still run 40s.
thanks,
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swag7741
Advanced Member
USA
531 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 07:47:56 AM
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I LOOK AT THE TIRES AS THE GREAT EQUALIZER IN TF AND TA. HECK WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT ENGINES,(HEMI,BIG BLOCK,SMALL BLOCK,6CLY AND EVEN FORDS) SOMTHING NEEDS TO BE THE SAME ON THESE CARS AND ITS THE TIRES.
THE RULES STATE:
"NO VEHICLE MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE TIRE AND WHEEL AT EACH LOCATION. NO DAUL PADDLE TIRE VEHICLES ARE PERMITTED AT ANY NATIONAL SAND DRAG ASSOCIATION SANCTIONED EVENT"
GREAT JOB AT YUMA DAN...KEEP THEM FRONT WHEELS DOWN!!
RACE ON
SWAG
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sandguy356
Junior Member
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 09:49:53 AM
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| Way to close out this topic Swag, moving on to a more relevant subject....... |
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comp113c
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2008 : 6:48:48 PM
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I dont think so. We've had experience with these cars. We dont remember when these cars ever went out of control. In the last 2-3 years we've had numerous crashes in fuel. So how can anybody say that duals are more dangerous? Theres cars now arent going straight so if duals will correct it why not? As far as rules go we made them and we can change them. Also as far as the big wheelie at the last race we know about hook
Cameron Racing
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planBmotorsports
Average Member
70 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 7:09:08 PM
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Its all in the clutch can, not in the tires!!! Dan and Dennis have got that part fiqured out. Why change something to make it easier for everyone else when there are people out there that have sacraficed a lot of money, time, family and even some years off there life to get to the point they are at now. My opinion is that if you go to dual tires it makes this sport look more like hill billy lawn more racing. This sport has come so far why would you go back in time. It is more and more professional all the time. I had a well know Alcohol funny car crew chief that came out with us to the last San Jacinto that actually was part of Gary Selzi's alcohol team back in the day when they would bring there asphault car out and run it in the sand. His first comment when he walked around is that this aint no back yard racing anymore there is a lot of nice cars out here. Lets not look at the past and focus on the future. They were cool in there day but I dont think that they fit into were the sport has gone.
Nick Januik
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Edited by - planBmotorsports on 01/30/2008 7:16:02 PM |
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Mike in SALT LAKE CITY
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2008 : 8:12:35 PM
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It's incredible that the sport is making a comeback the way it has. All of you involved with the NSDA are and should be very proud. What I dont see is the point just made that dual tires will make it easier for some, when others have invested a lot of time and money. The main point that some are arguing is that it will make it safer for the drivers and easier on the cars...But I guess if the wheelstands have become the new COOL thing then obviously money is no issue. So does that mean that the new racer or commited fan should'nt have a say in what they would like too see. Sand racing is a hobby and a life that is chosen...Lets not get confused that the sacrifice and the "years of the life" were and are not appreciated by the fans and other racers... But when a racing icon such as Butch Blair says hey guys why not at least take a look at it...Why not give it a chance? I'm not saying run it all the time but I think an exhibition would be worth the time....At least there will be some hard evidence to this debate.....By now some of you are probably annoyed by this subject and probably think that there is more important things too talk about, but it takes more then one idea to keep something alive and I get the feeling that only the ideas considered are that of a certain few,,,,,You all have a great thing going but remember it's important to keep noticeable difference between sand and asphalt AND honestly do you think the INDY car guys care what the NASCAR guys think....If the idea of is to try to be more like the nhra then why not just run asphalt?...This sport was started by the weekend racer and the backyard mechanic..A chance to race and enjoy the commorodory of fellow racers as friends more then competitors......The fact that this subject has become such a hot debate shows the passion that all of you have for the sport, and this will be my last post on this subject but let me leave you with this.....Why not have one car with duals--make a couple of single runs during race weekends--then take a poll from the fans and see what they have to say..Why not be democratic about it instead of throwing it by the waste side...I'm in the works of buying a certain sand car that has been around for a while and if it works out I would love to campaign that car at a few races, make some single runs with the dual paddles on(its a T/A car right now)..Once everyone has seen the idea in motion and the fans get a chance too speak then let the racers be heard and the governing body make the decision.Thanks for the post........................Mike SALT LAKE CITY
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rod trower
New Member
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 06:11:04 AM
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2 cents, I love sand drag racing but sure dont want it to turn into the NHRA. I have been close enough to that to say no thanks. Just ask any pro NHRA racer what they think about the NHRA in general and you wont get a good glowing picture. Unless you are the guys in control, Coil, Force, Ford, Alan Johnson etc. NHRA "Never Help Racers Advance". I would very much love to see the sand drag racing sport grow but but not to the point that you have to pay the organiziton for having a party in your pits. Oh not party thats agenst the rules (unless you have your beer in a plastic cup) No its a hospitality room here, well if you give im $10.000.00 it is. No you cant run that motor you spent your life building from scratch, that blower no way, those tires nope, your own fuel, Ha Ha whatever....aint going to happen kid (Unless you pay us)
If somebody wants to try dual tires we will let you run em over Memorial Weekend in Atoka Oklahoma.
Rod
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swag7741
Advanced Member
USA
531 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 07:51:11 AM
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OK, LETS NOT GO INTO THE MY CAR IS SAFER THAN YOUR CAR THING.(duals or singles)
LETS LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. NSDA BRINGS A RACING PROGRAM TO A INSURANCE COMPANY, THE UNDERWRITER REVEIWS THE RULES AND THE HISTORY OF SAND DRAGS, ALONG WITH OTHER IDEMS AND GIVES NSDA A POLICY AT $XXXX.XX. NOW IF YOU CHANGE THE RULES TO LET DUAL WHEELS IN, EVEN FOR AN EXHIBITION,WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE INSURANCE?
NOW LETS JUST SAY DUALS ARE LET IN FOR AN EXHIBITION RUN. WHEN DO YOU RUN THEM? IT ALREADY TAKES ALOT OF TIME TO RUN T/F,T/A,T/E NOW. SO I WOULD SAY NO EXHIBITIONS AT THESE TIMES. THE ONLY DOWN TIME NSDA HAS IS BETWEEN THE 4TH AND 5TH ROUNDS OF BRACKET CARS. WOULD THESE RACERS BE WILLING TO RUN AT THE END OF THE DAY ON SAT. AND SUN?
RACE ON
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Edited by - swag7741 on 01/31/2008 8:31:45 PM |
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rod trower
New Member
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 11:56:17 AM
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??? Mike My commits have nothing to do with the current debate over the chassis and its safety if you were referring to the NHRA. The chassis are more then likley fine but the tires are not. But goodyear pays the money so they are the only one allowed to play. Thats NHRA.
On the dual tire deal I dont have a desire to run them, I think they are kind stupid looking and kinda cool all at the same time. Kinda like bungee jumping if you know what I am saying. I would have no problem running somebody who had a set on there car, hay if it works for you, race it. How about Triples
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SANDMAN
Average Member
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 2:10:59 PM
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| Rod, I don't think Swag was refering to your post. I believe he was speaking in reference to "Mike form Salt lake's" post. However, Swag does make a good point as to the amount of time the NSDA has to get all this done. You put another set of tires on a car and now you've got more down time for grooming the track. It won't matter much anyways, duals, heck, throw a set of triples on them! The two D's (Dan and Dennis) will whoop em all, on singles. Love to all, Sandy |
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rod trower
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/31/2008 : 2:39:37 PM
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Sandy,
Thats prolly true about the double d's. Mater of fact I have always been partial to a nice set of Double Ds. LOL
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Jeff Sieg
Starting Member
9 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 2:42:36 PM
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| I think duals on TF are a good way to tell the difference between a TF car and a TA car. If the TF want to run them than let them. From a spectator point they are way cool to the single tires. I can see a saftey factor in running the duals, wider is better. It would stablizer the car better with duals. |
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The Villian
Senior Member
USA
136 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 5:57:45 PM
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Hey, If Mike from SL wants to pay an exabition fee, might be something to think about.
Safe?
Come see Chris or myself in the T&A pit, we've witnessed plenty of dual disasters back in the day. Or ask Kieth L how well duals worked on the No Doz car back in the Day.
Anyone else?
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tfsdragster
Average Member
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 7:13:40 PM
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I was at that race Kieth tried duels they blew off at the starting line . Obviously he had sub standard equipment Butch Blair was only able to muster up a 2.21 way back in the day and I dont remember him crashing to many times .
Just ask the guy at Scat track what the cars are doing to those tires right now. He thinks we are all crazy. LOL
How many cars have crashed in the last 4 years ask yourself that question ?
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DUAL TIRES????
